(Old Internet Photo of Johanna Michaelsen)
Johanna Michaelsen tells of her life in the occult. Johanna worked for a psychic surgeon. They recited the Lord's prayer before diagnosing a health problem and performing surgery. She sees many occultic techniques she was trained in praised in the church today. ~Regina
Speech we heard is on 5/24/2011 is made available on sermon audio by Travis Wales.
Speech we heard is on 5/24/2011 is made available on sermon audio by Travis Wales.
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sermonID=525111511499
She afterwards quoted universalist Billy Graham in the same boat with Rick Warren, Todd Bentley, Benny Hinn and many others.
Johanna explained that the occult can give people great talent as with Akiane, the child artist, who has visions of heaven and Jesus:
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She afterwards quoted universalist Billy Graham in the same boat with Rick Warren, Todd Bentley, Benny Hinn and many others.
Johanna explained that the occult can give people great talent as with Akiane, the child artist, who has visions of heaven and Jesus:
People into witchcraft can do great signs and wonders as the scripture says. These may be amazing, but not from God. Have you listened to Johanna's speech? This young artist sees lots of visions and paints them. Johanna doesn't think they are of God.
The scripture says, "No eye has seen, nor ear heard nor has it entered into the heart of man what God has in store for those who love Him."
There is a lot of what looks like Christianity in witchcraft. Johanna was a medium, though she had committed her life to God and thought she was a Christian. ~Dinah
21 comments:
I thank you for posting this, the NEW movements going on in churches have been causing me to question is this really of God I see people getting sucked into this without question if it is the real work of God's Holy Spirit, I had been praying that God would give me desernment so that I would not be deceived in these last days, shortly after starting to pray this I ran across all these things about the false movements within the church and have been battleing over this now for almost 1 year. So many things going on in the church that were not done in Bible. Then when questioned about it to members of the church they didnt want to even see the evidence I had or concider weather or not it was a true move of God because they knew and know what His presence feels like,also said God is doing a new thing!( where does it say in the Bible God will do a new thing in the last days?) I read God is the same! makes me want to completely stay out of the churches please pray for those who are being deceived by these false movements. anymore info you can send to me would really help just send it in a message, thank you and God bless
Karen, we have talked to Akiane's mother on the phone. She makes it clear that she does not advocate any one religion, but knows her daughter experiencing something.
We have admired Akaine's art and ability, but wondered if she was truly seeing heaven, or visions some have in the occult.
This image is a good example of her worldview:
http://www.artakiane.com/gallery
I'm referring to the Hindu Swami, which she painted at age 14.
Thank you for posting. I remember reading a few pages of one of her books many years ago and knew instantly that she had another gospel. Praise God!
I saw this young girl, YEARS ago, on Oprah and then the Crystal Cathedral interview. Your posting about her piqued my curiosity anew, and I went to her website to see her now. Her sweet, young heart seemed so open to Christ. If that's all you've seen of this gal, well, she's grown up. Here's a link on her website to videos. http://www.artakiane.com/video/ If you watch the nearly 1/2 hour one on the PBS station KCTS9, you can hear in her own words that she is NOT a Christian, and that she and each of her siblings have their own chosen spirituality and paths that are different, after her family having gone through "every religion". She's a Universalist of sorts, believing in her own visions and ideas. That is what she and her siblings are encouraged to do. It seems that her mother believes in a "blank slate, find your own way" philosophy. Her littlest brother is ... interesting, too. They call him a prodigy because he says childish sayings in weird ways, and yet doesn't read nor write. I'm sure he probably listens to the gibberish of the home and knows how to be ... interesting (to be polite). Anything which we worship other than the One True God is an idol. Idolitry is demonic.
As far as "gifts and talents" being from Satan, I kind of question the wording of that. I can't say yet if I'd ascribe talents and creativity to the devil. He's a deceiver, a destroyer, a duplicator, a usurper, but not a creator. He's a taker and a user, but not a giver. Our God is The Creator and Giver. I think perhaps it may be more true that he might use our God-given talents and intelligence and manipulate them.
I paused right here, and, since it was rest time around here, I listened to this message you posted to see what she said. It doesn't seem that she's attributing gifts like art to demons, but rather occult powers and practices that appear to be "blessings" to demons. I agree with that, for sure. As far as talents like art and such, that is a gift or talent that she (Akiane) was born with, and she uses it for Satan's glory. It may once have seemed that she was using her gifts for Jesus's glory, but that wasn't the Jesus of the Bible.
Anyhow, that particular of this discussion- whether or not natural abilities are "gifts" from God or from Satan- I would like to search the Word more about that particular use of words. But, this message is stellar! Thanks for posting. I know of about half of my friends list whom are coming to mind who would benefit in different ways from hearing it. Thank you so much!
Anyone on this thread who has not listened to the message- please do so. It's very contemporary church relevant and truth sorting. ♥
Thanks for clearing that up. From my own experience I don't see how talent could be from the devil since it is something you are born with, or at least had from very early on, and for me it's something that has remained throughout not being a Christian and being one. We all have gifts it's what we choose to do with them. It's interesting to me that they have been happening more often lately. I think we will see more and more spiritual-type "gifts" as the end approaches. But wow...turning one gift or ability into a religion is really messed up. If I tried to do that it'd be a pretty messed up religion because some of the things I see are truly horrifying. I hear about them later on the news. It can be a bad temptation for me at times to lead into occultism - I used to watch the show Medium not because I ever wanted to do that, but because I could completely relate to the main character having dreams that happened and not knowing what to do about it. I stopped watching it though.
Here is one that just happened to me today that is particularly startling. You might appreciate the symbolism: A couple of years ago I dreamed I was going down high street right next to my church (that's where the parade was today) and there was a man in a really old-fashioned car who I knew was a serial killer, he LIKED killing people and there was a crowd clapping and cheering for him. There was a black limo in front, I couldn't tell if it was a limo or hearse, and all over the ground was literred with bodies face down on the road as all the cars ran over them. In the dream I thought, "Why doesn't anyone care? Why doesn't anyone see?" WELL at the parade it was soldiers in those old-fashioned cars, and in the black limo, no one, but the outside had a sign that read The President of the United States. And when I had that dream I woke up terrified. I told my husband but we couldn't make any sense of it. Why would someone in an old 1930s car be driving anywhere, why would people clap for a killer? So we brushed it off. But now the memory of the dream is so so very close to the memory from this morning. It's really startling.
Karen, did you listen to this original link? I think you would find it very interesting and helpful.
Uh...didn't notice the link before. I just speed-read. I will listen to it.
For you or anyone else who passed over it, here is the direct sermon audio link: http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sermonID=525111511499
How long is it? I usually don't watch videos because of the amount of time. I can read very fast.
It's a 1.5 hour long audio bit of a great teaching from this lady who wrote the book, The Beautiful Side of Evil. As a Christian, and someone who experiences what you do, I would highly advise you to listen to it, to mark the passages of Scripture which she touches upon, and to pray through them, so that you may gain wisdom and direction in this ability you describe. I actually wish that all of my friends would listen to it, which is why I shared the link. This enticing and seductive side of the demonic realm is highly influencing modern Christianity, so it's an important topic to understand, and Johanna has a very insightful and personal vantage with which she shares. I had to find a quiet spot and listen to it while my children were all down for naps. It was a sacrifice, but I'm so glad I did it!
Yeah I actually stayed up late and listened to the whole thing. I"ll be VERY tired tomorrow! I do appreciate some of what she says, and her testimony is very powerful, but other places she doesn't explain herself very well. It seems to me like this is someone who went into occultism with both feet and got burned, and now has a knee-jerk reaction to condemning ALL Spiritual gifts and this is NOT Biblical. She even went so far as to calling meditation demonic - I'm sorry but the word meditate is IN the Bible as in regards to meditating on the word of God and isn't condemned. Clearly there is a right and wrong way to meditate but, she is condemning Catholic monks and they do not do spiritism. I'm a Catholic myself so I was extremely perplexed at how she concluded that the Catholic church was wrong, but then admits that evangelicals and many other churches are teaching the same things and worse - clearly it is a Christendom-wide problem so if she wants to say that makes Catholics wrong she should write off all the other churches too or else it's not consistant. Then, she concludes that spiritism and "demonic abilities" is inherited through the sins of forefathers, very few people agree with that to begin with, and she says that means if you are born with a gift it's not from God. HUH? Where did she pull that out from? The Bible doesn't say that. It says God gave us gifts and it illustrates times when He specifically gave gifts, but it doesn't say you can't be born with any. Maybe her philosophy on that is right maybe it isn't, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Because if that were true then someone would be sinning just by living a normal life. Like with my prophetic dreams, I certainly did NOT do anything to invite them when I was only 4 years old! I don't go around trying for or even hoping for them to happen. To tell you the truth they make me nervous. I have prayed many times against being decieved by demons and prayed many times for spiritual discernment. But they still happen. Does that make me a sinner or a witch? Better not burn me at the stake just yet. My church doesn't believe that mortal sin is ever unintentional. What she did - seeking out spiritual advice from mind-control gurus and many of the things that followed - would've raised huge red flags in anyone with even a basic working knowledge of Christianity. If not, she really can't say much about herself being a Christian. A Christian who doesn't read the Bible? What kind of spiritual life is that? Admittedly, many Catholics ARE decieved by what is supposed to be innocent communion of the saints, because they do not understand church doctrine or sacred scripture. It makes me very sad to say that even priests can fall into this category but it is very clearly forbidden as is any form of idolatry, and I have not seen it in the church and certainly NEVER at mass. The things I have heard and seen in protestant churches when I was one would raise the hairs on your head though, and that was IN the service.
There is a huge difference between intentionally seeking out spirits and trying to get prophecies of the future, and just having them come and of course testing them afterwards to make sure they don't contradict scripture. I'm very wary of acting on anything, if I do tell anyone I do not say it is a "word from the Lord" I just say I dreamed it and it happened. The biggest difference is that I not only don't seek them but I CAN'T stop them from coming. If you think perhaps that is not holy then pray for me. I do NOT want to be under the influence of anything unholy. But I do follow Christ and I do pray for discernment and have for many years. At first I really liked her and it gave me a lot to think about and then she just kept going on trying to make a point but never quite making it and saying, "I'll show you that in the Scriptures in just a minute" or, "We'll get back to that" but I didn't feel she answered my questions. If I can read the sciptures for myself (and coincidentally I very recently had read some of what she quoted) and not come away with the impression of the point she is trying to make but feel that it leaves me with a totally different impression, then that tells me it's an outside philosophy. Someone who really hates and is afraid of supernatural phenomenon of any kind. She said a lot about when spiritual gifts were not of God, but you notice she never said when they might be. It strikes a nerve with me though because I HAVE had satan mess with me b/c of my dreams. I have had dreams that I knew were not of God but had that "feel" to them like they *might* happen, but I knew not to trust them and other Christians I talked to gave me wise council about it. That's another thing she lacked as a supposed "true Christian", an openness to wise council. How odd she was so willing to believe her spirit guide but not other Christians. VERY ODD.
I have to say I was intrigued by what she said about the evil spirit guide. A warning from my experience is there is always some type of GUIDE, in the *bad* dreams that are not of God. There is always another person or presence there talking to me or guiding me through the dream, sometimes disguised as someone I know except there is something OFF about them that makes them not quite themselves, a counterfiet brother or friend, and there is usually a negative energy coming from that presence. Sometimes it seems like they are just trying to terrify me. But, in the dreams that happen, and the ones from which positive things have come, this is not the case. There is no guide except once the voice of God. He told me something that was supposed to happen in my life when I am old, so I can't say if it is true or not. Another *good* dream I had was of my daughter. The thought of her growing up healthy got me through many panicky anxiety-filled days as a new mom. I believed it was prophetic so I knew she would be okay. I did have faith in God but I do not believe that God prevents bad things from happening all the time - He certainly hasn't in my life so far. Sorry for rambling and writing so much. It was a long audio so it gave me a lot to say!!
Wow- you did have a lot to say! ;~D I understand doing that, when you have a lot to think about. And, perhaps, if one of the Seppis has time to read what you wrote, they could chime-in. They are full of wisdom.
There are many things that you say, which I won't even touch. There are a couple that are easily cleared up. In the first half or more of her talk, she said she "was a sincere Christian" and a true believer, but later she makes it clear that she was SINCERELY WRONG, and encourages others that they, too, might be sincerely wrong. I, too, thought that she should have been more plain in stating that she now knows that she was not a sinner saved by grace after her first prayer. And there were a few other things that I thought she could have been a little more direct about, but I understood her, in any case. Now that she IS a saved soul, she does read the Word. And, she did keep saying that she'd get to things, but she got there. She gave many Scripture references, and I got her flow of thought and points, I believe.
Also, she sets out in the very beginning to say that *she is not a cessationalist*. I'm not sure if you know what that term means. Cessationalists believe that the "gifts of the Holy Spirit" were only in the Apostolic Age, to be used until they had completed the Word of God/ Bible ("that which is perfect", in 1 Corinthians 13). A person who is NOT a cessationalist believes that the Holy Spirit still gives gifts (tongues, prophecy, words of knowledge, and so forth). Many conservatives fall into the cessationalist category. She said she didn't think that the Holy Spirit "croaked" in this first age (of the Apostles). So, she does believe in there being spiritual gifts at present. However, premonitions are NOT a spiritual gift listed in the bible.
Also, meditating upon the Word of God is totally different than TM (transcendental meditation) where you are taught to "open your mind" and repeat mantras and all else. It's disgusting that this has entered the church through Yoga, and other unbiblical means.
And the last comment I have is regarding Catholicism. In many countries, Roman Catholicism has expressions and rituals of overt idolatry. They have also mixed the Roman Catholic traditions, which are idolatrous enough, with spiritualism and satanism/ witchcraft. I was a missionary to the Philippines and saw these disturbing things first-hand. I know of many things like them around the world. It is also froth in Haiti (where the satanic priests must first get their sacrifices "blessed" by the Catholic priests). It's very demonic, and it is rampant world-wide. It may be more covert in American RC churches, but it's still there.
However, Catholic and Protestant do not matter so much as getting back to the Word of God for all direction in life, including what goes on in the Church, what spiritual gifts are, how we meditate (Psalm 1), and much, more more. ALL things.
I hope these statements may clear-up whatever you heard, and help you to better understand and receive the message that she shared.
The Catholic church has it's own statements of faith, and they are all plainly listed in the official Catechism. If Catholics don't read this, or don't read the Scriptures, and they go on to do horrible things that are strictly forbidden in either of these (as idolatry and witchcraft are) they are doing it in direct opposition to the Catholic faith, even if there are some priests who sin by allowing or even endorsing it - it is certainly not what we believe. People greatly misunderstand the amount of power priests have. They do not get to speak for God in their daily lives, nor are they presumed to be free from sin, nor can they ever contradict the teachings of the church. To do so is a sin, and they too must confess, and if not it is grounds for excommunication. That is interesting because I have personally met a priest from the Phillippines. He came to speak at mass one year and he certainly didn't approve of such things, he called us to pray for those people as he was well aware they were going on.
She says prophecy isn't a gift of the Spirit in the last days. Interesting. That's not what the Bible says!
28 “And afterward,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.
29 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days.
30 I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
31 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
(This is the Lord speaking, Joel 2:28-31, feel free to look up and read in context). And in Thessalonians Chapter 5: "19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not treat prophecies with contempt 21 but test them all; hold on to what is good, 22 reject every kind of evil." It seems she wants to reject them all outright. As I said, there is a difference between trying to get a prophecy and being gifted with one, nevertheless they all need to be tested. It just seemed to me she wanted to reject them outright and called others to do the same. Also I noticed she said we were free to call her out on twisting the scripture, but I don't expect she really thought anyone would. She almost inaudibly mumbled the ending of one verse and went on with her speech as though it was never said, and went on to try to make it sound like the verse is about good people doing good in the name of the Lord but through the power of demons, which it certainly does not. The name of Jesus is powerful and you do not have to be good to make use of it for healing, that absolutely does not mean those gifts are from satan. If you read the entire passage you come away with a very different impression!! Matthew7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
True and False Disciples
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Which makes me wonder, does she even read the scripture or just pick out the parts she likes?? Again it seems to me this is a woman who has been burned by false teachers, and is now taking it out on spiritual gifts, particularly that of prophecy, and trying to use the Bible to back up her despising of them which it certainly does not!!
Did she or did she not say outright that the 2nd pouring of the Spirit was a "false" Holy Spirit? If she did I have a HUGE problem with that. I'm pretty sure she said that, but I'd have to listen to it again to make sure since it was so very late when I heard it.
This was fulfilled as recorded in Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15 For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel: 17 "'And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; 18 even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. 19 And I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke; 20 the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day. 21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.' 22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know-- 23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.
Those were the last days of the old covenant with the priesthood, stone temple, animal sacrifices...
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